Rainforests, ferries, volcano roads, coffee towns, orchard valleys, coastal beaches, and mountain passes. Use the 12-stop shortlist, state-specific planning notes, and map tools to build a route that fits the geography and season.
Guide transparencyEdited by Dan McDowellResearch-based planning guide; firsthand experience is identified only when explicitly stated.Guide content updated September 20, 2026 · Always confirm current access and hours with the attraction.
Washington’s travel regions are separated by water and mountains: Olympic Peninsula, Puget Sound islands, Cascades, Columbia Gorge, central agricultural valleys, Palouse, and inland high country. The best detour respects those barriers and uses ferry or pass crossings as major itinerary decisions. Pair scenery with tribal history, working waterfronts, farms, volcanic landscapes, or small towns that explain the region.
Route judgment
How to keep the map realistic
Olympic Peninsula deserves a multi-day loop. San Juan and Whidbey trips depend on ferries. North Cascades Highway, Winthrop, and Methow Valley form a seasonal mountain route. Mount St. Helens, Columbia Gorge, Palouse, Yakima Valley, Long Beach, and Snoqualmie each belong to separate clusters. Seattle-area traffic can add hours, and ferry queues should never be treated as fixed transfer times.
Seasonal strategy
Where the plan needs flexibility
Mountain passes close or require traction in winter, wildfire and smoke affect summer, and coastal storms change beach and ferry plans. Spring snowpack can delay high-country access. Summer is popular and reservations fill quickly. Check WSDOT passes and ferries, fire restrictions, park alerts, and tide or ocean safety before departure.
Shortlist analysis
What this particular list emphasizes.
Washington's 12-stop mix includes Scenic drive (8), Water & coast (2), Unexpected stop (1), and Wild outdoors (1). The four picks below show different ways to start a day; they are not a suggested driving order.
Editorial decision: The Washington shortlist is intentionally mixed. Scenic drives lead the list, while Water & coast, Unexpected stop keep the guide from becoming twelve versions of the same travel day.
Best scenic drives in Washington
Start by choosing a landscape, not a mileage target. This guide includes Olympic Rainforest Loop, San Juan Islands Ferry Route, North Cascades Highway; they represent different ways to experience Washington, and should not be assumed to connect into one easy day. Open each stop above or below to see its setting, then choose the corridor that matches the time and season you have.
A good Washington scenic-drive day leaves space for the unexpected: a viewpoint that merits a longer stop, a town where lunch runs late, or a road closure that changes the plan. Select one primary drive, check current access with the destination's managing agency, and use the trip planner to save the stops that are actually on your route.
Best road trips from Seattle in Washington
Starting from Seattle? First decide whether you want a short out-and-back or a trip with an overnight base. Olympic Rainforest Loop is one idea to research, while San Juan Islands Ferry Route offers another focus. They are choices to compare, not a promise that both fit into the same afternoon.
Before you book lodging, open the individual stop pages, look up the current driving route, and account for parking, walking, opening hours and your return trip. For a weekend, a single geographic cluster is usually more rewarding than a statewide checklist. Build your own sequence in the site’s map planner.
Washington hidden gems and lesser-known stops
The value of a detour often comes from choosing a different kind of place. In this guide, compare North Cascades Highway, Palouse Scenic Byway, Leavenworth & Tumwater Canyon. The appeal of each is different; read the destination details to decide whether you want a scenic pause, a history-focused visit or a longer outdoor experience.
These are curated travel ideas rather than a claim that every place is uncrowded. Check access and visitor rules before leaving, especially for smaller communities and protected sites. If your route changes, save a second option nearby rather than rushing across Washington to complete a list.
Washington road trip questions
How many days should I allow for a Washington road trip?
The time depends on the region and stops chosen. Start with one geographic cluster for a short trip and allow separate driving days when combining distant parts of Washington.
Where can I find scenic drives in Washington?
Explore the featured routes and stops in this guide, including Olympic Rainforest Loop, San Juan Islands Ferry Route, North Cascades Highway. Check current road and seasonal access before departure.
How do I plan a road trip from Seattle?
Choose a nearby cluster, check actual driving directions, and use the trip planner to save stops that fit your available time.
The list is for discovering places, not a pre-calculated driving route. Verify distances, transport, accessibility and current access before linking stops.
The shortlist
12 detours to shape a Washington trip.
Use the categories and planning notes to compare these 12 Washington stops. They are not listed in driving order, so check the map and current conditions before combining destinations.
Olympic National Park wraps around a mountainous peninsula where temperate rainforest, alpine ridges and wild Pacific beaches lie within a few hours of one another. Highway 101 circles the park, but major destinations sit at the ends of long spur roads rather than on one continuous scenic loop.
Planning note: Choose one or two park regions per day and check road conditions before driving; landslides, storms and ferry timing can reshape a peninsula itinerary quickly.
Washington State Ferries connect the San Juan Islands through channels framed by forested shorelines and distant mountains. Friday Harbor, Orcas Island and Lopez Island each have distinct town and outdoor experiences, while ferry travel itself reveals the archipelago better than any road could.
Planning note: Check ferry reservations and schedules well ahead, especially with a vehicle; island-hopping consumes more time than the short water distances suggest.
State Route 20 crosses the North Cascades through steep glacial valleys, turquoise reservoirs and high mountain passes between the Skagit Valley and Methow Valley. Overlooks near Diablo Lake and Washington Pass make the highway one of the state's most dramatic seasonal roads.
Planning note: Check WSDOT seasonal opening, wildfire and weather conditions; the high passes close each winter and services are sparse through the national park complex.
The Palouse of southeastern Washington is a rolling landscape of windblown loess hills covered in wheat, lentils and other crops. Farm roads and viewpoints near Steptoe Butte reveal sweeping patterns of cultivated hills that change color dramatically through the growing season.
Planning note: Use public viewpoints and stay off private fields; harvest traffic, gravel roads and winter conditions require slower driving than an ordinary highway trip.
Leavenworth's Bavarian-themed center sits where the Wenatchee River enters the Cascades, with Tumwater Canyon immediately west along U.S. 2. The town's visitor identity is deliberate, while the surrounding canyon, river and mountain trails provide the authentic landscape that shaped the corridor.
Planning note: Expect event and holiday traffic, park once in town and check pass conditions before using U.S. 2; mountain weather can close or slow the route.
Whidbey Island stretches through Puget Sound with naval history, farms, small waterfront towns and dramatic Deception Pass at its north end. Coupeville, Ebey's Landing and the island's beaches reveal a mix of working landscape and maritime scenery connected by a single long road spine.
Planning note: Choose north or central/south Whidbey for the day and check ferry waits if using the Clinton or Coupeville routes; summer traffic can make end-to-end driving slow.
Spirit Lake Highway climbs from the Toutle River valley toward Mount St. Helens through the landscape reshaped by the 1980 eruption. Viewpoints and visitor centers reveal blast-zone ecology, debris deposits and the enormous scale of the volcano's north side.
Planning note: Check current highway and visitor-center access before leaving because landslides, snow and construction can close upper sections; do not assume Johnston Ridge is reachable.
Washington's side of the Columbia River Gorge follows Highway 14 beneath basalt cliffs and above the broad river, passing small towns, vineyards and trailheads opposite Oregon's waterfall corridor. Beacon Rock and Cape Horn provide strong viewpoints without requiring repeated interstate crossings.
Planning note: Choose one gorge section and check wind or wildfire conditions; Highway 14 is narrower and slower than Interstate 84 across the river.
Winthrop sits in the Methow Valley on the east side of the North Cascades with an Old West-styled downtown surrounded by ranchland, rivers and mountain trails. The valley's real appeal extends beyond the themed storefronts into cycling, cross-country skiing and access to high-country roads.
Planning note: Use Winthrop as a base and choose one valley activity; North Cascades Highway closures can completely change access from western Washington.
The Long Beach Peninsula extends north from the mouth of the Columbia River with wide Pacific beaches, dunes, cranberry bogs and small coastal communities. Cape Disappointment at the southern end adds lighthouses, headlands and Lewis and Clark history above the river bar.
Planning note: Check beach-driving rules, tides and surf before using vehicle-access beaches, and keep a wide distance from the water in high-surf conditions.
The Yakima Valley is one of Washington's major agricultural regions, producing hops, apples, cherries, wine grapes and many other crops under an irrigated high-desert climate. Farm stands, tasting rooms and small towns show how water transforms the dry valley into intensive farmland.
Planning note: Check harvest seasons and business hours, use a designated driver for wineries and stay on public roads around active farms.
The I-90 corridor over Snoqualmie Pass cuts through the central Cascades close to waterfalls, mountain lakes and forest trails. Snoqualmie Falls lies west of the pass, while trails near North Bend and the summit reach a much higher, snowier environment.
Planning note: Choose one waterfall and one trail area, and check pass, avalanche and trail conditions; winter parking and traction requirements can be significant.
Washington spans disconnected ferry communities, the Columbia Basin, the coast and eastern river valleys. These stories are separate regional options, not one drive-through itinerary.
Explore more of Washington · Regional travel imagery; individual locations are described in the stories below.
Before there was a Portland–Vancouver metro area, this stretch of the Columbia was a busy crossroads of Indigenous trade, the Hudson’s Bay Company’s fur business and later U.S. military activity. Fort Vancouver’s reconstructed stockade tells only one part of that story: the surrounding historic grounds also trace the movement of workers, families and cultures through the Pacific Northwest.
Walk through the reconstructed trading post to get a feel for the scale of the enterprise, then look beyond its walls. Pearson Air Museum and the old barracks district make this unusually good for travelers who like to follow a landscape through several very different chapters of history. The fort is not just a backdrop for costume photographs; it rewards attention to whose labor supported it and whose lands it occupied.
The grounds and the indoor buildings have different schedules, so confirm fort and museum access before driving over. Vancouver makes a sensible stop on a Columbia River trip, and it can be paired with downtown Vancouver rather than stretching a single afternoon all the way to the coast.
History & heritagePort Townsend, Olympic Peninsula
Fort Worden Historical State Park
At the edge of Port Townsend, old coastal gun batteries stare across Admiralty Inlet. Fort Worden was built for a threat that never materialized in the form its planners expected, leaving behind broad parade grounds, military buildings and concrete defenses that now frame a much more peaceful use of the peninsula.
The fort rewards wandering in layers. One path leads toward the beach, another climbs into the former artillery positions, and the historic campus hosts cultural activities that give the buildings a life beyond their military past. The best views are not necessarily from inside a battery: watch the changing light and boat traffic where Puget Sound opens toward the Strait of Juan de Fuca.
Wear shoes suitable for uneven paths and take a light even if you plan only to explore the easily reached exterior batteries; do not enter closed structures. Allow time for Port Townsend’s waterfront afterward. State-park parking rules and access to individual museums or events should be checked separately.
South of downtown Seattle, the Museum of Flight turns the city’s aviation reputation into something tangible: aircraft crowd a soaring glass gallery, while the original Boeing Red Barn recalls an era when building airplanes was still an uncertain experiment. The exhibits stretch well beyond the familiar passenger jet and make room for the people who designed, maintained and flew these machines.
The Aviation Pavilion is the crowd-pleaser for travelers who want to stand beside full-size aircraft, while the Great Gallery and space displays reward slower looking. The collection is substantial enough that one quick lap can feel like reading only the captions of a long book. Choose a few eras that interest you and give them the attention they deserve.
This is an urban museum stop, not an add-on to an Olympic Peninsula driving day. It fits naturally before a flight, during a Seattle stay, or on the southbound approach to Tacoma. Confirm which aircraft interiors and special exhibits are open on your chosen day.
History & heritageGoldendale, eastern Columbia River Gorge
Maryhill Museum of Art
The road east along the Columbia Gorge eventually trades damp forest for open hills, and then an improbable art museum appears above the river. Maryhill began with Samuel Hill’s vision for a grand house; what survives is a collection that moves between European sculpture, Indigenous art, international objects and stories of the Gorge itself.
Its setting is part of the appeal. Step outside between galleries and look down on the river corridor; the museum’s cliffside position makes sense of why travelers have long treated this as a destination rather than a casual indoor stop. The collection invites you to move across cultures, but it is worth reading the interpretive labels instead of reducing every object to an unusual curiosity.
Maryhill has a seasonal public opening, so do not assume the galleries are accessible on a winter drive. The museum is on the Washington side of the Gorge near Goldendale; allow time for the scenic approach and check the calendar before building a longer route around it.
Central Washington can look like a landscape made mainly of wind, basalt and long open views. Ginkgo Petrified Forest asks you to imagine something else: trees that grew long before the modern Columbia River valley took shape and whose mineralized remains now lie exposed in an arid setting carved by ancient floods.
At the interpretive area above the river, fossil wood and displays connect the vanished forest to the Ice Age floods that reshaped this part of the Northwest. The Trees of Stone route offers another way into that story, with preserved logs in their original setting. It is a very different Washington stop from the rainforests and alpine roads most first-time visitors picture.
Plan around heat, exposed walking and the fact that the interpretive center has a scheduled closure from September 21 to October 2, 2026 for construction. The outdoor state park is a separate experience from the building, and travelers should verify current trail and parking notices before heading off Interstate 90.
Stehekin sits at the far end of Lake Chelan, but the striking part of reaching it is what disappears along the way: there is no public road linking the village to the rest of Washington. That distance makes this valley feel less like a highway detour and more like a journey whose boat ride or trail approach is essential to the story.
The lake is long and narrow, with mountain walls rising around the upper basin. Once ashore, visitors can focus on the valley’s quieter scale, local interpretive stops and the North Cascades landscape rather than trying to tick off a dozen unrelated attractions. An overnight stay makes more sense than racing to match a distant arrival with an early return boat.
Do not add Stehekin as a drive-through waypoint in the map builder. Passenger ferry schedules, seasonal transport within the valley, lodging and return connections must all be arranged separately; private vehicles cannot simply be driven into Lake Chelan National Recreation Area.
Unexpected stopGrand Coulee, north-central Washington
Grand Coulee Dam Visitor Center
Grand Coulee Dam interrupts the Columbia on a scale that can be difficult to understand from a passing windshield. Built as part of a vast twentieth-century water and power project, it reshaped irrigation, electricity generation and the river itself, with consequences that extend well beyond the enormous concrete structure visible from the road.
The visitor center helps put the dam’s engineering in context and also addresses its effects on the people of the region, including Indigenous communities whose river connections were profoundly changed. Step outside to compare the actual structure with the diagrams inside; this is a place where distance can make the landscape look deceptively small.
Allow a little extra time if a guided tour or evening light show is operating, but never assume either runs every day or in every season. This is a northern Columbia Basin stop, not a convenient add-on to a Seattle city afternoon, and summer heat can make the outdoor viewpoints uncomfortable.
Wild outdoorsNear Washtucna, southeastern Washington
Palouse Falls State Park
Across the rolling farmland of southeastern Washington, the Palouse River suddenly drops into a deep basalt canyon. The waterfall is dramatic precisely because the approach gives away so little of what is ahead: flat-looking agricultural country opens into a steep-sided gorge shaped by water over an immense span of time.
The designated viewpoints are the right way to experience the scale of the falls, especially when afternoon light picks out the layered rock. A short visit can be memorable, but this is not a swimming hole or a hike to the plunge pool. The state permanently prohibits routes into the canyon and to the base of the waterfall.
The parking area is small, RVs and trailers are not permitted, and cellular service is limited. Carry water, avoid the busiest weekend arrival hours when possible, and check park alerts before committing to the rural approach road. Treat the Palouse Falls visit separately from a long, winding tour of every Palouse scenic byway viewpoint.
Spokane’s waterfall is not hidden beyond a remote trailhead. It cuts through the middle of downtown, where river, rail history and the remnants of a world’s fair sit within a short walk of one another. The falls have long held significance for Indigenous communities, while later industrial development crowded their banks with tracks and machinery.
The 1974 world’s fair helped clear a new public space around the water, leaving a clock tower and pavilion as clues to the site’s different lives. Today a traveler can follow pedestrian bridges and riverfront paths between overlooks without leaving the city. The changing flow means the falls can look and sound very different in spring runoff than in late summer.
Use this as a walkable Spokane stop and leave the car parked while you explore. The park itself and paid attractions within it have different schedules; the SkyRide is optional, not necessary to see the water. It combines naturally with downtown museums and food rather than a faraway Cascades itinerary.
History & heritageNear Walla Walla, southeastern Washington
Whitman Mission National Historic Site
The quiet fields west of Walla Walla hold a difficult chapter of Columbia Plateau history. A nineteenth-century Christian mission was established in Cayuse homeland, where disease, migration and competing claims over land transformed relationships with devastating consequences. The site now works with tribal partners to tell a more complete story than the older, one-sided account of pioneer martyrdom.
Walking the grounds, reconstructed landscape elements and memorial areas makes the place feel less like a single monument and more like a setting in which different communities experienced the same events in profoundly different ways. The visitor center and park film provide context that a quick photograph of the memorial cannot supply.
The park is west of Walla Walla and works well as part of a focused southeast Washington history day. Allow time for the exhibits if open, follow the designated trails, and approach the grounds as a place of reflection rather than a novelty roadside photo stop.
Check official hours, reservations, parking rules, road conditions, weather alerts, wildfire or storm impacts, ferry schedules, accessibility, and seasonal closures. The US Detour focuses on route judgment rather than copying logistics that quickly become outdated.
Travel well
Leave the place easier to enjoy.
Respect private property, stay on marked routes, avoid blocking roads for photos, pack out trash, and support a local business when possible. Hidden places remain worthwhile only when visitors treat them as communities and ecosystems—not content backdrops.
Regional routes
Put Washington into a bigger road trip.
These full itineraries use stops from this state guide inside a geographically coherent multi-state route.
Three ways to use the places in this guide before you build a route.
Best scenic drives in Washington
Start with the landscape, not the mileage, when deciding which Washington roads belong in the itinerary. The Olympic Peninsula loop, Cascade mountain roads and Columbia River history sit in different geographic systems; mountain passes and ferries set the pace. You can compare Olympic Rainforest Loop with San Juan Islands Ferry Route, but first work out which landscape belongs to your trip.
For a day with room to wander, start with Olympic Rainforest Loop. Olympic National Park wraps around a mountainous peninsula where temperate rainforest, alpine ridges and wild Pacific beaches lie within a few hours of one another. The route can work as a main event; decide what you can reach comfortably after spending time at the stop.
Another anchor is San Juan Islands Ferry Route. Washington State Ferries connect the San Juan Islands through channels framed by forested shorelines and distant mountains. Choose the approach that suits your vehicle and season, then decide whether another visit really belongs on the same day.
If a bridge, ferry or park entrance shapes the journey, confirm that step first; the rest of the detours can wait. Use the Washington trip map to compare the positions of these options before adding them to your itinerary.
Hidden gems in Washington: three different stories
The quieter stops in Washington are not necessarily unknown; they simply answer a different question from the famous viewpoint. The Olympic Peninsula loop, Cascade mountain roads and Columbia River history sit in different geographic systems; mountain passes and ferries set the pace. For example, Fort Vancouver National Historic Site and Fort Worden Historical State Park tell different stories; compare their locations and opening arrangements before choosing one.
A less obvious choice is Fort Vancouver National Historic Site. Before there was a Portland–Vancouver metro area, this stretch of the Columbia was a busy crossroads of Indigenous trade, the Hudson’s Bay Company’s fur business and later U.S. The guide places it in History & heritage Vancouver, southwest Washington. A useful detail from the stop description: The grounds and the indoor buildings have different schedules, so confirm fort and museum access before driving over. Allow time to understand the place, not merely to collect another photograph before getting back on the road.
Consider making time for Fort Worden Historical State Park. At the edge of Port Townsend, old coastal gun batteries stare across Admiralty Inlet. The guide places it in History & heritage Port Townsend, Olympic Peninsula. A useful detail from the stop description: Wear shoes suitable for uneven paths and take a light even if you plan only to explore the easily reached exterior batteries; do not enter closed structures. It may suit a different travel day from the larger attractions in this guide, which is a useful reason to save it separately.
For a smaller-scale detour, explore The Museum of Flight. South of downtown Seattle, the Museum of Flight turns the city’s aviation reputation into something tangible: aircraft crowd a soaring glass gallery, while the original Boeing Red Barn recalls an era when building airplanes was still… The guide places it in History & heritage Seattle, south of downtown. A useful detail from the stop description: is an urban museum stop, not an add-on to an Olympic Peninsula driving day. The visitor experience may depend on tour times or seasonal hours; look at the linked source before choosing the day.
A short detour is only short when the approach road and actual visit time both make sense. Compare them in the Washington destination planner before building a real itinerary.
Washington road trip ideas with a realistic start and finish
First choose your overnight base; then decide which attraction justifies the drive from that base. One useful starting point is Olympic Rainforest Loop; it is a clearer destination than a route made of unrelated pins. Compare the descriptions for Olympic Rainforest Loop and San Juan Islands Ferry Route as alternative anchors. Do not assume that their place in this statewide list means they are next to each other. Use your available days and intended overnight town to choose which part of the state you can explore without rushing.
For a different subject, Fort Vancouver National Historic Site in History & heritage Vancouver, southwest Washington is another possibility, not automatically a stop on the same day’s drive. Decide whether a fixed tour, a park visit or a long scenic road is the main commitment, then work outward from that. An itinerary that leaves room to change plans is more useful than a route that depends on every attraction having identical opening hours and ideal traffic.
This route idea is editorial, not a measured driving-time or verified proximity calculation. Check the road, operating schedule and entrance conditions before travel.
Plan the region, not just the pins
Washington road-trip planning: routes, local outings and seasonal choices
Best scenic drives in Washington
Three very different routes to investigate: North Cascades Highway on State Route 20 when open; the Olympic Peninsula loop on US 101; the Chuckanut Drive coastal stretch. Pick the corridor that matches the place you are staying, rather than treating these roads as consecutive legs of a single day.
The appeal of a scenic highway is what happens when you leave time to stop: a town that asks for a walk, a viewpoint that needs a safe turnout, or a park that takes longer than the distance on a map suggests. Compare current road and park access with the stops in this guide before making the drive the centerpiece of your day.
Best road trips from major cities in Washington
A useful departure city makes a route manageable, but it does not make every statewide attraction nearby. These are separate starting-point ideas, not one combined itinerary.
Seattle
A short outing to the Kitsap Peninsula differs from a full Olympic loop that can take multiple days.
Bellingham
Chuckanut Drive is a manageable scenic option while the North Cascades need seasonal road planning.
Spokane
Eastern Washington lake and coulee landscapes are a separate trip from Seattle’s mountain corridors.
Washington hidden gems off the main roads
The Skagit Valley makes a useful lowland detour when high passes are closed. Port Townsend offers waterfront history as an Olympic Peninsula base rather than a quick add-on to Mount Rainier. The Palouse belongs to eastern Washington; its rolling agricultural landscape merits a different itinerary from Puget Sound.
Hidden does not always mean deserted or unrestricted. A stop may be less advertised but still require a ticket, private-land permission, ferry booking or park permit. Choose one that fits the direction of travel, then open the linked state stops to check access rather than adding distant pins because they share a category.
Best time to visit Washington
The right month depends on the region, elevation and type of outing. A seasonal road, a beach, a waterfall and a walk through a town can have very different ideal conditions within the same state. Use these windows as planning prompts, not guaranteed weather or fixed peak-color dates.
Washington road trips by season
Spring
Snow keeps some high roads closed well after the lowlands warm.
Summer
Long daylight helps on peninsula routes, but popular trailheads fill.
Fall
Rain and shorter days make ferry and mountain plans less predictable.
Winter
Favor lower-elevation routes and check pass conditions before leaving.
How to build a realistic Washington itinerary
SR 20 closes seasonally across the high North Cascades, and Olympic Peninsula driving often involves ferries or long stretches around water. Mount Rainier conditions and entry arrangements differ by entrance. Consult state DOT and park notices rather than assuming the fastest map route is open.
Choose one region and check opening hours, current road conditions and travel time before adding another stop. Compare destinations in the Washington destination planner or build a route with the trip map. Neither tool replaces current information from the managing agency.
Frequently asked
Washington road trip questions.
How many days do I need for a Washington road trip?
Most travelers get real value out of 7–10 days. That is enough time for one region-based route from this guide plus one flexible day for weather, detours, or a slower morning. Pick a cluster of stops rather than trying to cover the whole state in one trip.
What is the best time of year to visit Washington?
Jun–Oct is generally the most comfortable window for this state's mix of stops. Watch for winter rain & fog outside that range, and confirm current conditions before you commit to a route.
What kind of stops make up this Washington shortlist?
Washington's 12-stop mix includes Scenic drive (6), Wild outdoors (3), Water & coast (1), Unexpected stop (1), and Local flavor (1). That spread is why the guide works better as a menu of regional options than as one end-to-end itinerary.
Do I need reservations for the stops on this list?
It depends on the stop and the season — some parks and water-access sites cap daily entry. Check the managing agency's current site before you go rather than relying on hours or fees published here, since those details change often.